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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-15, 18:55

Good day, my dearest members of ASH!

As you all know, we have received an e-mail, a reply from Shikata-san through the hands of her staff regarding our e-mail. As pointed out in the e-mail as well, we need to take off the picture of the banner or contact the photographer so it would not violate the rights.

I have a suggestion for this. Since we have a talented designer with us, who is kuroi neko-san, I have an idea to ask her to create a banner for us. Maybe she can draw it then send it to Maruko for further edit and there we will have it, the most original banner we could ever have! What do you say? smile

As for further discussion, what are we going with the section with the download links? We have been told to take off the banner simply, so we would surely been told to take off all download links and illegal pictures as well. We can revive those sections, but I'm afraid I will have to remove everything that could violate the law. So mostly we can only have a track list. And maybe a link to buy the album on the Amazon? XD

Anyway, let's see what everyone has to say about this.

Thank you for your attention! big smile


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Post by Maruko on 2011-01-16, 03:28

I think it's a beautiful idea! I didn't think about this never before, good job Phio!!
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-16, 03:31

Haha, thank you. I didn't know how that idea could come to my head either way. XD If kuroi neko agrees, we're all up to it!

Then, what about the links and pictures?

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Re: Again, deciding on the future.

Post by Maruko on 2011-01-16, 04:23

About the DL links... I suggest you to remove all of them... anche as you said, we may put a link to Amazon, or CDJapan (better prices :°D).

Sorry for going off-topic for a moment but... I'd like to put some photos of mine where I show my Akiko-ish collection <3 Where sould I post them? In the sections about Akiko or in the off-topic ones?
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-16, 14:45

I see. I suppose that is indeed the only option we have.

As for your question, if it's still related to Shikata-sama, I think you can still post it in Channel: Akiko Shikata, hehe~ smile

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Post by Treize on 2011-01-19, 18:33

I think that we should remove download links as well. If people are really bent on downloading Shikata's work, there are numerous other places. I would think if someone joined this site, they would already have a basis with some of her works, so they shouldn't be completely incapable at finding more.

Personally, I think it would be perfectly acceptable to post previews of her new work like the new Umineko ed for example, but they would probably have a problem with that as well. I think a preview would actually encourage people to buy the song when it comes out...

I'm kind of annoyed that they told us to remove the banner. It's not like it's a direct copy from someone. I'm sure it couldn't do much harm to whoever the photographer is. There are scans from all of her albums/etc. at sites much larger than this small fan forum. If we can make something that looks decent and is perfectly legit with all copyrights and whatnot, then we should replace it, but otherwise, I wouldn't worry that much.
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Re: Again, deciding on the future.

Post by Artesox on 2011-01-20, 00:04

Ok,here we are again. big smile

First,I think that we should remove any download link.

Second,about the banner, we once talked about what are the "Akiko Shikata's symbols" and we had a long list of symbols that we could use to make a banner without using photos (But it is sad, I wish that we could use some photos ;-; )
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Post by Wasabi on 2011-01-20, 01:39

I added links where you can get akiko shikata cds on the english fansite. (GUST shop/CDJapan/HMV/Yesasia/Amazon)
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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-20, 10:56

I could draw some Akiko fan art if I have time and post it here soon. Maybe that could help...=)

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Post by Depthcharge101 on 2011-01-20, 11:06

I'm indifferent to the download links. Either way is fine with me.

As for the banner, I'd prefer either no image or some abstract image of hers. Fan-drawn images of her... I'm not sure if it'll turn out well.
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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-20, 14:03

How about a silhouette?
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-20, 17:40

Hmm.

In general, we don't have much trouble in removing the download links as it doesn't make too much difference to us. Tons of other sites out there already provided the download links. At first I thought that as Shikata-san's only fan-forum on the internet, we should be able to provide our members the most complete and right information of Shikata-san. Though I suddenly remembered Kajiura Yuki-sensei's website, canta-per-me, which could grow big as what it is now without download links in it. I wish we could be like that one day.

As for the banner, well, we could actually turn ourselves blind to what we're being told in the e-mail, as lots of other sites out there also did what we did. At first I thought if we want to get Shikata-san to visit this place, we might have to 'stay clean' as much as we could. But considering the e-mail, it seems like it's a bit hard for her to come visit us here. I just don't want to lose hope...

@kazaki: I think using silhouette won't be too different... I'm thinking of just using patterns or icons which we thought represent her, like what we have discussed. ^^

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Re: Again, deciding on the future.

Post by kuroi neko on 2011-01-20, 21:49

you can ask me...if you like it...hehehe... big smile

sorry if I just read now...ehehehe... sweat
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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-21, 19:54

@phio69 It's okay. That works too.
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Post by -ALT- on 2011-01-23, 03:44

I'm also neutral about the removal of download links, either way is fine for me smile (Although I do encourage members to get a copy of her work in shops or via online means).

As for the Banner, I guess we've already expected that they will ask us to remove whatever copyright materials before sending the letter. Since they have specifically asked us to remove it, I guess, we'll have to do as told. It's also safer that way, otherwise it might turn into the case where we've violated the copyright law even after knowing that it's illegal. Fanart (with consent from the artist) or just some play-around with the different fonts should allow us to create something decent.

As for the content of the letter itself, I personally think that Shikata san will not make an appearence here (T__T). Typically, Japanese doesn't reject people in a direct way - it's normally dealed in a more neutral and ambiguous manner. Aside from her busy schedule, I guess one possible reason might be that her staff and her doesn't want to show any partiality to any particular fansite. I was disappointed in the sense that there wasn't any sentence (or words) specifically from Shikata san to ASH. I began to doubt if the letter was even relayed to Shikata san. That might have sounded skeptical, even though I still have some hope left within ^^||
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-23, 21:14

I think that after this, all we can do is to get more Shikata-sama's fans here, and, keep sending the newsletters, telling them what has happened around here. Maybe her staffs and maybe even herself underestimate us for only being a small community. That is why we need to actualize ourselves by start to gather more people around and keep contacting them. That way, maybe someday Shikata-sama will be here at last.

I guess I'm hoping too much. XD

edit: I altered the general template of how we post a thread regarding her albums. Tell me if it's good enough or still bad. ^^" Check it here, for example:

http://chouwa-harmonia.forummotion.com/t112-album-kara-cola-hymmnos-orgel-collection#1403

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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-23, 22:21

Yeah, I hope so too.
After all, if we believe in something, it can be done for us. =)
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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-25, 12:04

Also, I thought of something - why her "staff" answered instead of her.


Maybe she's testing us to see if we're really true fans...? xD
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Post by Artesox on 2011-01-25, 12:10

I saw on her twitter that she was sick or something like that.

But, I don't think that it changed anything D:

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Post by tiredEyes on 2011-01-25, 22:54

I think her computer broke down or something like that, my Japanese isn't too good...
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-25, 23:55

Whoa, really? If she is indeed sick AND got her computer broken, that's the more chance that she didn't read our e-mail directly, argh~ =____=

Well, for the safest method, I think, we can send her e-mails once in a while. Just to show that we're really serious in building this community as her fans. Problem is, I don't know what to write in the e-mails later on~ ^^"

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Re: Again, deciding on the future.

Post by Artesox on 2011-01-26, 01:45

Hummm....

I don't know exactly but we can do things like:

-Ask if we can use a photo.
-Ask if we can show the previews of her musics (The ones that we can find at official sites)
-Ask if we can translate her midi page (She have one,with a lot of midis)
-Ask if we can show the promotional videos of her cd (like the Harmonia one)
-Etc

But also, we have to make a poker face now, and don't comment about essential things of our forum, such as the new album pages. What is going to be of us if they decided to act as strict as possible? ;-;

If we are going to keep contacting they, I think that we need to be sure that we have nothing to lose...


Anyway, PC is broke, and I will not be able to post or read the forum for a little time.

I will be back soon, bye bye
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Post by phio_chan on 2011-01-26, 03:38

Artesox wrote:-Ask if we can use a photo.
-Ask if we can show the previews of her musics (The ones that we can find at official sites)
-Ask if we can translate her midi page (She have one,with a lot of midis)
-Ask if we can show the promotional videos of her cd (like the Harmonia one)

Excluding the photo, I think we can do that, since it's all official, right? Making translations for ourselves shouldn't be a problem. For photos, we're told to contact the photographer, hmph~

You're right, I think. I changed some threads' template so we don't display the download links, but the link to buy the albums instead. I personally think that it's still okay for us to discuss about the album on the thread. We just download it somewhere else then listen to it. I think as long as we don't publicly show it here, it doesn't matter, haha~

And I'm sorry to hear about your PC broken! I hope it wll be fixed soon. See you around, Artesox!~

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Post by Treize on 2011-01-26, 12:02

phio69 wrote:Whoa, really? If she is indeed sick AND got her computer broken, that's the more chance that she didn't read our e-mail directly, argh~ =____=

Well, for the safest method, I think, we can send her e-mails once in a while. Just to show that we're really serious in building this community as her fans. Problem is, I don't know what to write in the e-mails later on~ ^^"
This is just an idea, but maybe we should send her a message on twitter instead of through her "official" e-mail if we are looking for some sort of response from her. I don't know how actively she uses her twitter, but I know other people who have actually gotten responses from Japanese artists through twitter.

Either way, we probably won't get much response from Akiko. She's probably too busy to talk with individual fans too much.

As to what we do here, I don't think Akiko will care that much, so I don't think we have to ask permission. We aren't big enough that it would make a difference anyway.
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Post by kazaki03 on 2011-01-26, 16:24

I'm following her on Twitter though...

@phio69 - I might help you out on what to put on those emails, yes. =)
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@phio/freija: She has promotional videos? (Sorry, I actually don't know, I feel like a noob). Where do I find these?
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Wait, now I have no idea as well. We need to ask Artesox. XD

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this is a PV right?
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Cool! I'll watch that later. Slow internet connection. -_- Thanks Artesox-san! smile
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